Well yeah, you try being told you can't have the one thing he can't just make for himself. You don't understand. *he sigs* I may be a newbie when it comes to how long i've been around, but, I know my father. I was raised with a couple of his daughters. Different mothers...... not the point.... anyway. He loves them. It's not just sex to him, it's... well it's his way of sealing a bond with them, knowing them. To be denied that. Is like telling him it's not his daughter. Dude's probably heartbroken.